Do High Elves Use the Sunwell Again
Blood Elves and Horde vs High Elves (warhammer)
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Sensing the raw magical power emitted from the country, the Blood Elves assissted by their Horde allies particularly the Forsaken make up one's mind to accept the country for themselves, launching an all out invasion.
While the horde has been able to make a beachhead on Ulthuan they oasis't been able to make much of a headway into Ulthuan. However a Horde assassinator was able to seriously wound the Everqueen earlier being dispatched by the her Handmaidens.
The Phoenix King Finubar the Seafarer orders a furious Prince Tyrion to take command of the combined armies of the High Elves in order to bulldoze the Horde out of their lands.
Hearing of the Horde invasion of Ulthuan emmisaries of the Alliance have been sent as well, promising aid TO ULTHUAN. However due to the distance of Ulthuan from Brotherhood Territory it will be months until reinforcements from Ironforge and Stormwind get in.
The question is can the the High Elves concord out until assistance arrives?
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The Loftier Elves concur out, and indeed are quite capable of pushing their mode back into Quel'Thalas. The question is whether or not they fire Silvermoon earlier the Alliance gets there or not. It's a solid fight, just by and large the High Elves are simply better than their foes. The Claret Elves' best hope is to try and replicate the dome shield spell they made in the 2nd War, which was effective plenty to keep Horde dragons out of Silvermoon.
Consider numbers. Even with the massive population decline, estimated High Elf figures are still over six million. Warcraft, on the other hand, tends to accept absurdly low population figures. Lands of Conflict gives the population of Silvermoon as 'unknown', but if information technology's commensurate with other WC figures (and one assumes it would be lower, given the genocide of Quel'Thalas by Arthas), Ulthuan can simply Zerg Quel'Thalas.
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Other than that, I don't know; a sizable portion of the Horde and Alliance forces are currently residing in Northrend. Pesky Elder Gods and Lich Kings, y'all know. I doubtable the Blood Elves won't go downwards quite equally easy as predictable, but their forces are rather spread out. On the other hand, assuming the Horde gets back into gear they Tin employ heavy cannon bombardment from an airship to assist; Orgrim'due south hammer has a cannon rather bigger than a WW2 battleship's mounted on information technology. It fires shells more than than six anxiety in diameter... those could suck.
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Going off of figures from WoWWiki given for high elves, there should be around 225,000 blood elves surviving; there are 25,000 high elves, and they are 10% of the surviving elves of Quel'thalas(the remaining 90% being Claret Elves.) Listen, considering that the elves of Quel'thalas lost 90% of their original number in the third war, that'south kind of sad...
Most blood elves are Horde Aligned; maybe x% still with Kael'thas/Illidan.
So around 200,000 Blood Elves. Listen, most of those are going to exist fairly formidable; rangers, mages, warlocks, priests, rogues, hunters, spellbreakers et al, and they have the Sunwell to draw on for extra magical power.
Also, in that location's the Residual of the Horde, which should evidence rather handy; the Forsaken can teleport reinforcements straight into Silvermoon, and the Orcs, Tauren and Trolls tin can airlift sizable forces.
The Blood Elves also do good from having some semblance of aerial adequacy; dragonhawks provide some mobility and limited offensive capability. I don't know how caoable Ulthuan is in aerial combat.
Magic-wise... well. Sunwell etc vs. the mojo of Teclis and his ilk. Pretty impressive magic all effectually.
I suspect the horde reinforcements will be necessary, simply with such reinforcements the Blood Elves will be victorious. Or Arthas launches a counterattack, or the Elder God shows up, or... there's a lot of other players that could go involved.
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Um its Warhammer High Elves vs Warcraft Horde.
I am enlightened of that. The High Elves of WARCRAFT number 25,000; they're 10% of the surviving High Elves of Quel'Thalas. The other 90% are Blood Elves.
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I am aware of that. The High Elves of WARCRAFT number 25,000; they're x% of the surviving High Elves of Quel'Thalas. The other 90% are Blood Elves.
What? IIRC, the Blood Elves are the High Elves, unless there are High Elves inside High Elves.
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What? IIRC, the Blood Elves are the High Elves, unless in that location are Loftier Elves inside High Elves.
Later Arthas screwed upward the Sunwell the High Elves couldn't use its energy. The majority began to have their energy from Fel magic and became the Claret Elves. Still at that place is a small minority that refuse to do this and nevertheless call themselves High Elves.
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So around 200,000 Blood Elves. Mind, most of those are going to exist adequately formidable; rangers, mages, warlocks, priests, rogues, hunters, spellbreakers et al, and they have the Sunwell to draw on for extra magical power.
I dubiety they'll all be soldiers. Blood Elves, like anyone else, need workers capable of filling a non-armed services part. Given the genocide and state of war, it's probably safe to say that Blood Elf demographics will be incredibly slanted in favour of military types and those who can fight, only even if every elf of that 200,000 is a soldier, they're still easily outnumbered past the Ulthuan denizen levy.
Also, in that location's the REST of the Horde, which should prove rather handy; the Forsaken can teleport reinforcements directly into Silvermoon, and the Orcs, Tauren and Trolls tin airlift sizable forces.
I dubiousness the Horde proper, i.e. orcs, tauren, and trolls, are going to go involved. The logistics are horrible. Those three races are based on some other continent altogether. By the fourth dimension they could get annihilation like a feasible military forcefulness to Ulthuan, the Alliance's aid will have already gotten there, and once that happens, all hope of taking Ulthuan disappears. Once Kalimdor Horde and Alliance relief forces get in that location, the conflict will boil down to 'Horde versus Alliance plus Ulthuan'. Considering that 'Horde versus Alliance' is a pretty even disharmonize anyway (and Varian Wrynn recently marched an Brotherhood army straight into a Horde capital letter; I suspect that the Alliance has the advantage over the Horde in a long-term disharmonize), adding in Ulthuan on the Alliance side only makes it a slaughter.
And then nosotros'll be almost interested in the early stages. That is; can the Blood Elves and whatsoever Forsaken allies they tin can bring cause plenty damage to Ulthuan to effectively neuter its armed forces capacity before any reinforcements arrive?
Every bit mentioned, my answer is 'hell no'. The big problem is that since the Alliance has centrolineal with Ulthuan, this could very well set off a full scale war between Horde and Alliance. At present, that is a foregone conclusion in favour of the Brotherhood/Ulthuan, simply as you say, the various nasties that inhabit Azeroth may well take the opportunity to leap in. Fortunately the Burning Legion was pretty comprehensively beaten downward in tBC, the Old Gods never seem to actually do annihilation, and thus far Arthas has appeared quite content to sit on his block of water ice and amuse himself.
The Blood Elves also benefit from having some semblance of aerial capability; dragonhawks provide some mobility and limited offensive adequacy. I don't know how caoable Ulthuan is in aeriform combat.
They rely primarily on not bad eagles, and have a number of dragons. It's non entirely clear how WHF dragons stack up to their WC equivalents. My gut says that WHF dragons are more fearsome that the boilerplate WC dragon, though they even so pale next to the Aspects.
Loftier Elf mages are likewise easily capable of flight, which they have used to good outcome before. A standard tactic confronting foes with large numbers of flyers is to summon ferocious winds and storms, which brand flying impossible for all merely the largest creatures. However, mages aren't ubiquitous, so the Blood Elves may well savor a scouting and mobility advantage.
Magic-wise... well. Sunwell etc vs. the mojo of Teclis and his ilk. Pretty impressive magic all effectually.
Both of them have pretty similar high end feats, i.e. continent-busting firepower. The High Elves, or rather the first Nighttime Elves, did it accidentally while trying to tear open up the fabric of reality and let daemons in, and the early Dark Elves did the same matter past detonating the Well of Eternity. Neither High Elves nor Claret Elves are insane enough to try and do it again, though.
Personally I'd give the border to the High Elves. Iii High Elf mages were plenty to turn the tide of a state of war between humans (the Great War Confronting Chaos), and in one case a single mage was enough to turn a defeat for humanity into a rout for their enemies (the High Mage Finreir, when Mannfred von Carstein laid siege to Marienburg). Blood Elf mages will be more common, but the Loftier Elves seem to have more powerful mages.
What? IIRC, the Blood Elves are the High Elves, unless there are High Elves within High Elves.
Arthas invaded Quel'Thalas and tried to exterminate the High Elves of WC. The survivors split into two groups.
Those who were loyal to Kael'Thas Sunstrider, the son of the last male monarch of Quel'Thalas, followed him into Outland, renamed themselves the Blood Elves in laurels of their slaughtered kin, and worked for Illidan. Later on a while they travelled back and reclaimed Silvermoon and rebuilt their city. They then joined the Horde for protection; they were biting at the Brotherhood for firstly not stopping Quel'Thalas' destruction (never mind that Quel'Thalas wasn't part of the Alliance and Lordaeron had just been pillaged), and secondly for Alliance Highlord Garithos being a racist douche. They also captured, enslaved, and raped an angel for magical ability. They eventually discovered what Kael'Thas had done, selling the entire race out to the Burning Legion, and turned against him. They also freed said affections, apologised, and are at present in theory good guys over again.
The other group consisted of the High Elves who stayed loyal to the Brotherhood. They by and large consist of those who were abroad from Quel'Thalas at the time of its destruction. Though Quel'Thalas had officially left the Alliance, many elven priests refused to abandon their former allies, and there was likewise a large population of High Elves that lived in Dalaran. On top of that you have the Farstriders, High Elf rangers scattered through Azeroth, and the descendants of Alleria's rangers in Outland. These High Elves are a less populous people than the Blood Elves, and are scattered throughout the Alliance. The biggest groups would be Alleria'southward group, and the Silver Covenant, the organisation of Dalaran High Elves.
Since the WHF High Elves call themselves that, and their cultures are fairly similar, the WC High Elves might terminate upward joining Ulthuan and assimilating into that culture.
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